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visit xfinitymobile.com to learn more. doc? back control with lipo flavanoid. >> this is a secret, war. secrets and spies. sunday at ten on cnn welcome to the lead. >> i'm jake tapper this hour investigating hate in new york city, blatant acts of vandalism and antisemitism. and now the nypd is launching i knew hate crimes task force to look into the disturbing ax plus cold war allies reunite as russia sends a group of warships to cuba, is putin again trying to taunt the united states ahead. what we're hearing with cnn teams positioned in both moscow and havana and leading this hour, the breaking news, a house vote led by republicans holding the us attorney general in contempt of congress at issue. audio recording of an interview with president biden during a special counsel investigation into biden's handling of classified documents, the special counsel, robert hur, released a report about that investigation. the justice

department also released a transcript, but not the actual audio recording which we should note for transparency sake, cnn is also suing to get our hands-on. cnn's manu raju is live on capitol hill and mano, you're getting initial reaction from lawmakers who are leaving, leaving the vote right now behind you. what, what a republicans saying should happen now well, there's a bit of a debate about exactly what should happen. one person who did not want to weigh in was the speaker of the house himself, mike johnson, who just told reporters that it's really who's asked about whether the justice department should go out into the prosecuted the attorney general, of course because in charge of the justice department, he said it goes see what happens. other ones said that this will be fought out in court to try to get these documents not necessarily expecting much would go in the way of processing the qsen because the next step here is for the dc attorney office, us attorney officers just underneath the justice department to look at this contempt referral and decide how to act. and we do not expect that that office to act. that would be

unprecedented. it did so and also, the president asserted executive privilege over these audio tapes. so the justice department position is in line with the executive branches position was to not give this audio over to congress, despite the subpoena for the house over this, joe biden interview, what the special counsel that the house republicans want nevertheless, talking to republicans is clear. some of them save, fight this out in court to get the audio. others going further. >> but there's no way he'll get prosecuted over this garland why have i never say never, but i don't know when you're sending a contempt motion to the guy who's in charge of prosecuting the contempt motion that i would i would say i like are as is, but the real fight is going to be on executive privilege and whether we have whether we should have this information and i truly believe we do. >> we just hold him in contempt congress. >> is he they're putting see bannon in prison. >> peter navarro is in prison. merrick garland evidently deserves to go to prison of

course that last comment from that firebrand, marjorie taylor greene wants the attorney general to go to prison over this. >> of course, there's no expectation that you didn't be prosecuted much less, be sent to prison, but nevertheless, you're getting a sense of some of the republicans are reacting after this party-line vote, this vote, jake went down 216 in voting to advance this measure of 200 207, voting against it just one member defected. that was a republican, david joyce of ohio. he's more moderate republican no statement yet from joyce about why he broke ranks. but most of the vulnerable members publications voted with their party, vulnerable democrats voting with their parties as folk goes down along party lines, making a merrick column. the third attorney general in recent years to be referred for contempt citation because of a dispute with the house representative okay. >> all right. manu raju. thanks so much with us now to discuss republican congresswoman from new york nicole malliotakis are

congresswoman. thanks for joining us. uh, you just voted to hold garland in contempt. we're not handing over the audio from president biden's interview go interview with the special counsel, robert hur transcript has been released. why is it so important to republicans to have the audio released? what exactly do you want from the audio? >> did we want to make sure that it matches what the transcript says. so and i think that it's important as an oversight for procedural issue that we have i have access to the audio. i think it's just very simple issue and it perhaps i think as man who said, that we probably have to fight it out in court. but when the oversight committee members of congress requests. this type of material by subpoena. it should be provided if that's all you want. just to make sure that the transcript matches the audio. >> could you not just ask for a special master to do that? i mean, what democrats thing. i know it looks look cnn wants it to we want it for journalistic reasons. you guys are politicians. i don't think the chances are zero that if you've got the audio that some of that

audio, especially the less flattering parts of it, might end up in an attack ad. i mean, that's the fear that democrats have they could fear whatever they like. it doesn't mean that they can't, they shouldn't be complying with the subpoena from the house of representatives. i think it's just it's cut and dry in simple like that for the same reasons that cnn seeks far the audio tape. and i think that the larger issue here is that it always seen means that there's zero transparency. we've had so much difficulty. it's not just this issue with this administration. it's multiple issues where we're trying to do our oversight responsible ability. we're trying to bring transparency to the people this is their government and they deserve to see everything in here, everything. and if there's a subpoena requests for something it should be provided. it's it's a shame that we have to actually get to the subpoena position in the first place. i mean we request information all the time from oversight purposes and we have difficulty getting and it's not limited specifically to this

administration. i mean, i know i don't one of the issues we're going to talk about is governor cuomo. and then we wrote letters for completely four years to try to get information. simple questions i've asked and they just disrespected the house of representatives. they thought it was important to provide answers to us and we're seeing that happen time and again where people feel that they can does violate federal law. and what we believe is proper oversight. >> so one more question on this, and then i'll get to governor cuomo who testified behind closed doors yesterday and you were there so i do want to ask about that you weren't in congress at the time, but i wouldn't say that republican, your republican colleagues exactly ran to vote to hold attorney general bill barr in contempt of congress when he refused to hand over all the details of the molar invention destination and the unredacted report. would you have voted to hold him in contempt of congress as well? >> yeah. perhaps i was not here at the time, so i don't know this particulars of what occurred, but i do believe that there is a responsibility here for oversight. and certainly as

a member who had been involved in the ways and means committee, we were the ones who delivered the irs whistleblowers there's that i worked played a big role in this in this conviction of a hunter biden i think oversight is important. the american people deserve to know what happens even if it it's happening behind closed doors, especially when it's happening behind closed doors. so why? then all the particulars that you're mentioning, i think we do need to be consistent. >> so let's talk about behind closed let's doors because yesterday behind closed doors, former new york governor andrew cuomo participated in an interview with the subcommittee on the coronavirus pandemic, and it centered on the issue of the guidance from his administration in new york that led to nursing homes and long-term care facilities being forced to admit contagious covid-19 patients during the pandemic, which led to the deaths of thousands wilson's have seniors in new york listened to your fellow new york congresswoman, republican at least stefanik after the interview and i said, does he have accountability and despite hours and hours of trying to

blame everybody else in the final moments of the deposition he said ultimately as the new york governor, there is accountability for how they handled nursing homes was that your takeaway? the governor cuomo acknowledged accountability and responsibility for what happened. >> yeah, it's unfortunate. jake is somebody who has had constituents lost loved ones in the nursing homes to hear the governor say that he it doesn't have remorse or that he would even change anything today if he had the ability to edit that directive that came from his administration to nursing homes, mandating them to take individually welcome to hear him say that he does not even make a single change today, that he would simply communicate it more and explain more. so nursing homes could understand that they could reject individuals, which was certainly not what the mandate said. it is not what the impression of the nursing homes worth the time nor was it the impression that the local elected officials who were relaying concerns from the nursing homes to the administration. it wasn't our impression either. what i would say is it was it was

unfortunate the governor really try to to shift blame and point fingers first, he tried to say that he and the do h commissioner, department health commissioner did not know anything about this directory they've until a month after it took effect saying that it was when a media inquiry came to him that he first found out about it. i find that really hard to believe. i think people who saw the governor for 111 days do briefings and he was so involved in so hands on i don't i don't think that anybody really believes that in this de to not know who that staff member was, there was no internal investigation. it was somebody who went rogue and did this without approval. so he tried to blame them, then he tried to blame cdc and the federal government saying that the guidelines were mirroring what the federal government records i'm conditions were. but that was not the case, right the federal government language was very different. that was ken versus shao and rollout, no testing for those individuals she came into the nursing homes and then he blends in nursing homes

themselves saying that they didn't understand the directive that they had the ability to turn them away if they couldn't care for them public in on the committee told me that the democrats also, some of them had tough questions for governor cuomo, is that is your impression as well? >> oh, yeah. >> certainly. there was a lot of this fact satisfaction among all the members, republicans and democrats in a lot of tough questions, a democrats focused ally, they're questions. she questions on the underreporting of deaths it's in the state of new york and the other issue was the personal friends and family that we're receiving tests, covid tests so here on one hand, the nursing homes were prohibited from testing individuals that were being forced upon them from the hospitals, right? according to this man and date. but then they were making these going out of their way to test anyone whether it was personal professional that was coming into contact with the governor. so really was a double standard there and he received a lot of questions and a lot of heat

from the democrats on that particular topic. >> yep. i remember all too well, republican congresswoman nicole malliotakis thing you so much. i appreciate your time today. us attorney general merrick garland just released a statement after house republicans voted to hold him in contempt of congress. garland said quoted is deeply disappointing that this house of representatives has turned to serious congressional authority into a partisan weapon. today's vote disregards the constitutional separation of powers. the justice department's need to protect its investigations in this substantial amount of information we have provided to the committees, i will always stand up for this department, its employees and its vital mission to defend our democracy. we have some breaking news now in the world, lead president biden just landed in italy moments ago for the g7, cnn senior white house correspondent mj lee is also in italy as the president arrives, mj, what's on president biden's? docket for this trip will jake a number of big ticket items for the g7 liters as this meeting gets underway tomorrow. >> but there's no question that showing a unified front in

support of ukraine as the war and enters its third year is really a top priority for these top leader there's a number of the announcements that we expect these leaders to talk about of course, include the $50 billion loan program for ukraine that would be paid by inch trust. that is accrued from frozen russian assets. we also expect leaders to talk about this new bilateral security agreement between the the us and ukraine that would last ten years. and of course course the us, of course, earlier today, announced a new expanded sanctions targeting russia. but as we see those images of president biden landing here in italy, it's important to keep in mind that this is as final g7 summit of his first term. cutting just three years after that first g7 that he attended as president and the politics both at home and across the world is just so different now, back then, a lot of world leaders saying that they were breathing a sigh of relief to see donald trump on after his unpredictable isolation is tendencies. and

now of course there's a lot of anxiety coming back to the world stage as a lot of folks are wondering about the possibility of a second donald trump term, white house press secretary karine jean-pierre on the flight, i believe sidestepped the question about whether a president biden mike commute his son, hunter biden sentence after a jury found him guilty on gun charges yesterday, he had told abc he he wouldn't pardon him, but there was no follow-up about well, whether about a commutation, tell us more about this exchange yeah. >> and this was after the president spent the last night before traveling to italy in wilmington, clearly to show support to his family and his son, hunter after that conviction, what the white house press secretary was asked was whether the president would consider commuting hunter sentence she. said she had not even spoken to the president about this issue since the verdict that hunter sentencing hadn't even been scheduled. so she really wouldn't weigh in on this issue at all, but just a reminder, of course, the

president did say in a recent interview that he would not pardon his son. he said that he would also accept whatever the outcome of this verdict would be. >> all right. mj lee, thanks so much. one major topic on the sidelines of the g7, we'll of course be israel's war against hamas in gaza, us secretary of state antony blinken was just in the middle east and he will be with president biden in italy what is blinken saying about the latest back-and-forth over the push for a ceasefire and hostage deal in this conflict. that's coming up plus incredible stories from the hostages, just rescued from the hands of the terrorist group hamas. why the hostages feel they were actually in danger when they first saw israeli forces. that's coming up the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president, one stage two every different visions for america's future. the cnn presidential debates thursday, june 27, nine live on cnn and streaming on max. >> see idp disrupts the idp

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the terrorist organization responsible for the horrific october 7 attack on israel, made numerous changes to the wording. he still thinks they're bridger ball just before blinken left the middle east, he said, quote, it's time for the haggling to stop. cnn's kylie atwood is in doha, qatar, and kylis, you saw blinken's frustration mount throughout this trip of publicly, he is still projecting some aap the msm. it seems some is the keyword there, jake, there was no signal today that they are on the edge on the precipice of any breakthrough with the secretary of state saying that what hamas put on the table, included multiple proposals for changes, saying that some of those are workable and some of those are not expressing frustration. >> questioning if hamas is actually negotiating here in good faith and also saying that some of what hamas put forward goes beyond its previous positions, effectively making the case that they're moving backwards and not forwards towards trying to bridge the differences here. but he's

still cold for an urgent need for them to bridge those differences. but he said there can be no guarantee that it's going to work. listen to what he said earlier today in doha it's about seeing if we can bridge the gaps that have been exposed by hamas's response and i can't can't tell you right now whether it will succeed. i believe it's doable. i believe it's absolutely necessary to try our hardest to do it. but there's no guarantee so we'll watch to see what the next few days hold for us here with the secretary of state calling for those urgent call conversations that need to happen. >> we still don't know exactly what those are going to look like. he also said that in the coming weeks, the us is going to roll out some proposals for the day after plan for gaza. what reconstruction, what governance could look like in gaza after this conflict is concluded. but of course, in order to get there, they need

to get a ceasefire and they simply are not there today. jake. >> all right. cnn's kylie atwood and doha. qatar. thanks so much. and israeli military source tells me that the idf and the israeli security agency known as the shin bet, have confirmed that abdallah aljamal, the person holding three since rescued israeli hostages, was remember not only of hamas, but also a journalist for al jazeera. now according to israel's assessment, but the source told me that providing definitive proof that aljamal was a member of hamas and was holding the hostages would endanger their intelligence gathering ability. al-jazeera says that aljamal was never an employee they acknowledged he did contribute to one opinion article we should note that for some reason abdallah aljamal, even though he's not an employee's on the al-jazeera website listed as a gaza-based reporter and photojournalist, which is unusual if he's not an employee cnn's paula hanco*cks spoke with the family of now freed hostage, andre cost slough, as they were count

disturbing details of andres, eight months of torture when the israeli military launched saturday's rescue mission and gaza one of the hostages thought they had come to kill him andrey kozlov, shanks, his name and terror to the his family says mask guards told them for months the sounds of war they were hearing what israel trying to target them as they were causing trouble for the state. >> and bella his brother dimitri tells me he didn't understand why the idf came he was afraid they came to kill him. >> it took some time to realize they had come to rescue him but psychological abuse coupled with frequent punishments marked kozlov's captivity according to his family i knew fairly the dorff, but i wish we're trying not to leave marks has further says because eventually it is their reputation, but they would still punish it up this way or

the other. remember, we've got gangrene provide you he has told us there are some moments he will never share with us his father now the says, but one he did share is that at the hottest time of the day, they would cover him in blankets. >> it's a difficult or deal to be dehydrated through heat kozlov, 27-years-old, is a russian citizen who move to israel almost two years ago. he was working as a security guard at the nova music festival on october 7 when he was kidnapped and taken into gaza his parents flew from russia sunday for an emotional reunion one, they hadn't dare to hope for after eight long months from a look this is the best scenario we could have hoped for. his father says to see him alive, to feel his presence and to hook him. it is outstanding with this condition. his mother says, we are infinitely happy to see him. he laughs, he jokes, he enjoys communicating with all of us with his family, with doctors, with the people

who surround him well his family says kozlov was shocked when israel's prime minister it's a benjamin netanyahu, came to visit him and the three other hostages rescued wallen hospital as for those hostages still in gaza, his father says a deal or a rescue whatever it takes to get them out after the initial medical treatments and checks, kozlov has now left hospital and he's staying in a hotel with his family jake. >> alright. paula hanco*cks in jerusalem, israel for us. thanks so much. this war is the underlying issue behind a hate crime task force just launched in new york city were vandalism and anti-semitic acts our on the rise. some of the scenes of hate and division against jews erupting in this major american city that's next hey mom, how many should i decorated? have

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this is a secret war secrets and spies sunday at ten on cnn to our national lead now in new york city official says that several jewish brooklyn museum board members woke up to see red paint splattered on their homes along with blatantly anti-semitic messages and an upside down red triangle are trying goals on her doors and windows. the upside down red triangle is a hamas symbol indicating targets for the terrorist group to attack. this all comes just a day after anti-israel protesters, many of them obviously pro-hamas flooding new york's subways and streets. many chanting the openly anti-semitic slurs openly applauding hamas is terrorist atrocities. >> monday night outside and exhibit commemorating the 260

people killed at the nova music festival. >> and anti-semitic flag was held up reading long live october 7, that's the day that hamas invaded israel and slaughtered hundreds of innocent people up to 1,200 actually cnn's, but you mark as reports from new york as the nypd is combing through footage and conducting interviews of witnesses in hopes of catching these anti-semitic criminals red, triangles, hamas symbol indicating jewish targets spray painted on the home of the jewish director of the brooklyn museum, as well as several jewish members of the museum's board on the subway even at a memorial for those killed at an israeli music festival on october 7 rising antisemitism in new york city, moving to new extremes, we have currently moved well beyond protests of a

war. to people targeting individuals at their homes targeting institutions that want to have exhibits about a massacre that occurred. >> the new york city police department says anti-semitic incidents are up at 4% in the last four months compared to the same time in 2023. with protests becoming more physical and confrontational. jews here say they fear escalation is inevitable. >> what makes this different is that the amount of people that are coming out every single day to blatantly talk talk about how sinus deserve to die. that is something different that is something concerning. and that's gonna keep me up at night the most recent target of antisemitism, the director of the brooklyn museum and pastor neck, brooklyn museum white supremacist zionist the brooklyn museum targeted by pro-palestinian protesters weeks ago, damaging hard, swarming the building,

confronting museum security in a shock to many jews here the nova music festival in israel, where at least 260 people died. >> protesters gathered outside the memorial exhibit in new york city attended by some survivors. >> the reason is so important for me to people will come here because you can try and twist it and make it about politics. but actually, this is a story about innocent people who came to dance and celebrate life. and this is what happened, the hate reaching all parts of new york, even disrupting commutes underground okay those in. the word zionist and jewish now interchangeable. any threat to many jews here hey, tests on

the subway turns into a fight with police. many new yorkers asking, where's this going and how so, look a lot of jewish new yorkers, i speak to are just horrified by what's happening in gaza. >> very angry at netanyahu government for its conduct of the war. but they are even more appalled at how all jews have been lumped in together. and that they've been completely dehumanized. they fear that there is going to be great harm done to jews here for somewhere else. just for being jewish, jake, cnn's miguel marcos. >> thank you for that report. >> a dramatic scene right now in cuba, russian warships are there and the us is getting close. >> this watch cnn crews are in havana and in moscow. what they're hearing from both capitals, that's next next wednesday, cnn celebrated juneteenth with special performances by john legend, patty lewbel, smokey robinson we still have a lot of work to do june celebrating freedom and legacy next wednesday at 100

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>> this morning, just about 90 miles from the us coast. it made quite an entrance firing off a 21 gun salute, which was then answered by the cubans with cannon fire. it's the biggest show of force between russia and cuba in years. and of course, tensions are already at a high right now between the united states it's in russia over the war in ukraine. and on top of that, the us state department has declared two americans wrongfully detained by russia. wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich and former us marine paul whelan, murray radio free europe editor alsu kurmasheva has also petitioned the us to declare her wrongfully detained cnn is in all the right places where right now for this story, matthew chance in moscow, patrick oppmann in havana, cuba. patrick, what is cuba saying about this or any of those russian ships armed well we carried out a military exercises on their way here, so they are armed. the claim though here the cuban ministry of defense, that they are on a

friendly visit and they left their nuclear warheads back home. of course, we'll just have to take them at their word on that or not. but this is some of vladimir putin's most sophisticated weaponry. you have a submarine just behind me that is one of his newer submarines. you have a forget that is capable of shooting hypersonic missiles was traveled about 7,000 miles per hour. >> so a wall, the cuban officials, we've talked i'll just say this is a friendly visit. >> certainly eight is an attempt by vladimir putin to project power. >> and mathew, how closely is the us keeping an eye on all of this? i think pretty closely. i mean, it's it's a friendly visit and all that, but friendly to cuba, not, not friendly to the united states i mean, look, the us are downplaying the risks posed by this small group of russian ships they say that they don't

believe that nuclear weapons are are on board and the risks to us national security is very small. indeed but they have been monitoring and tracking this us group, this russian group of ships as it, as it made its way across the atlantic at us officials tell cnn that deployed ships and planes to monitor what's going on now. and so the us is very aware that this is vladimir putin flexing his muscles in america's own backyard. >> patrick, how do cubans, the citizens of cuba, feel about? the presence of these russian ships didn't never seen anything like a submarine a nuclear-powered submarine are coming into the port this morning that never even happened during the height of the cold we're here. so it is something that echoes the past. there are some cubans who feel nostalgic for the days when the ussr was footing the bill and the tune of billions of dollars but most cubans here, jake, they have relatives in the us

in florida that is the sport's the music they follow. and so for many cuban officials who feel kinship with russia for so many of their fellow citizens they don't feel that kinship at all. and they see their future being as closer. one closer to united states, rather than russia, matthew, why is russia choosing to do this right now well, i mean, jake, look, i think timing is important and this this naval deployment by russia comes just a few weeks after president biden gave the approval for ukraine to use us supplied weapons to strike targets inside russia that provoked a pretty furious response from the kremlin with that, amid putin, the russian president saying, look, will you weaken arm? >> we may at the enemies of the united states now, with russian weapons, now, there's no suggestion that there's a plan

to arm cuba with hi-tech modern russian weaponry, but certainly the russians want to send a message that they can be a nuisance on the doorstep of the united states all right. >> patrick oppmann, matthew chance in moscow, and havana, respectively. thanks so much. or the other way around a decision today handed down for lia thomas. lia thomas of the transgender swimmer. she identifies as a woman. she challenged the rules and an effort to compete in the upcoming summer olympic games will bring that report next. pluses president biden really making good on campaign promises to go after the super-rich you are abusing the tax system. >> what about all that money given to the irs to crack down on those abuses? >> the investigation that follows the money of those following the money that's next the cnn presidential debates june 27th, nine, my-if on cnn and streaming on max, where carbonic, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online now we've created a brand new

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years. whereas small businesses and self-employed people were flagged 40 times more joining us now is spencer woodman the author of this story and spencer, i have to say this is stunning last year, the irs is large business division flag just seven instances of possible tax crimes. the irs got this 80 billion taxpayer dollars through the inflation reduction act, very controversial at the time, but they don't seem to be delivering well, yeah. >> i mean, that's seven instances of possible crimes to possibly investigate further. those are those are internal criminal referrals. so we're not even sure what happened to those seven cases. >> in a statement, the irs defended its large business division. they say, quote, there are major differences between a large international corporation and any other for profit enterprise. internal controls and checks and balances generally limit the opportunity for criminal

activity unquote. so the irs, they are basically saying these big corporations, they police themselves. they have their own internal compliance. so the odds that they're doing anything wrong there are pretty slim yet jake, that was an interesting statement for us to get because at icj ri work, we have been reporting on misconduct and crimes committed by large accounting firms for many years so sometimes it's actually the big accounting confirms that get their clients in trouble. >> so a little bit of irony in that statement, there so it does seem as though the billionaires and large corporations, when it comes to paying taxes, have a different set of rules than the rest of us. >> and it doesn't seem as though this month heralded 80 billion in this promise from president biden has changed that. am i wrong well, i think

this new funding puts the irs from what i gather in its at a pivotal moment where it has this funding that it's badly needed to potentially fulfill this promise that biden made to go after and stand up to large corporations and wealthy individuals and make them pay their fair share however, we all know that just throwing money at a problem doesn't always fix it so we found a number of additional things that may need to happen. >> so for instance, when you, when you mentioned the different rules, we found that the irs is division that audits billionaires and large corporations literally has their agents follow a set of rules that leads to a

friendlier audit experience and a more accommodating audit experience for large corporations and billionaires that is not afforded to small businesses in the united states. we also found that the large business division from many different interviews that we did it it doesn't support agents in making criminal referrals to the criminal investigation division and we got a pretty strong sense that there's some frustration in the criminal division of the irs that says officials in the criminal investigation division. so they don't feel supported in taking on the largest cases supported by whom, by the leadership of the irs supported by the office that the large offices within the irs that is dedicated solely to auditing the

wealthiest taxpayers. there is this culture within the irs is large business division as you as you kind of alluded to, their of working it out with taxpayers? big businessmen and women, rather than sending it up to the criminal division what kind of precedent does that set so the large business division at the irs has established a pattern that gives the wealthiest taxpayers, corporations, and billionaires essentially full confidence or near-full confidence, that if they cheat on their taxes the one of the i mean, the the biggest cost of that is going to be getting audited and working it out civilly. that means repaying what they owed in the first place, plus a civil penalty they have essentially near confidence near certainty that their cases will not be elevated by auditors to criminal

investigators. i wonder if one of the issues here what and when i think about reading in the past about general electric paying no taxes or or amazon paying no taxes. i wonder if one of the issues is that wealthy corporations might not even need the cheat on their taxes because the tax code has been written for them to write off so many things it's all legal so it's all legal argument it it kind of contradicts the rhetoric of the biden administration and also the treasury department under donald trump. >> i mean, there's, there's been a lot of a lot of research on the scale of illegal tax evasion by the highest end of taxpayers. >> alright. spencer woodman, thanks so much. fascinating report. we're going to be back in a second with our last leads, which includes a notable date on the calendar. stay with us the devastating and sudden

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